How to run a car on nothing - no fuel or water
86Fresh Air and Ingenuity
Like many others, I gave up on fuel years ago and started running my car on water. The savings were great of course, and the performance, though not brilliant, was quite good enough for rush hour commuting.
But after a while, I found I was getting tired of the hassle of having to check water levels every other day and, to be honest, the smell of the catalyst (used to dissociate the water into Hydrogen and Oxygen) was starting to get to me big time. So, I sat down to think it through from first principles, and this is what I came up with:
- I don't need a performance car since all my driving is around town.
- An electric car would be quite fine.
- Electric cars don't need combustible fuel, but they do need electricity to charge the batteries.
- Of course! Make the car generate its own electricity!
The idea seemed so simple I wondered why no-one had done it before. Now, I'm more of a theoretician than a practical guy, but fortunately my next door neighbour, Jim, is a keen amateur mechanic with a well equipped garage workshop. When I explained my plans, he couldn't wait to give it a go.
Block Diagram
The Project
The project took a few weeks to come to fruition but, though it was hard to do, it's simple to describe. Here's the gist:
- Obtain an electric vehicle of your choice. I settled on the Dynasty Electric Sedan.
- Obtain two alternators. We used Lucas as Jim already had a couple lying around in the workshop.
- Mount these to the chassis and couple them, with drive belts, to the rear half-axles.
- Regulate and rectify the electrical outputs from the alternators and connect them to the battery stack via heavy duty diodes. (The latter should be mounted on a heat sink).
Of course, I've compressed several weeks of effort into a few short lines, but I'm sure you get the picture. Here's how the system works:
The battery drives the motor in the normal way, so the car moves along the road. Normally, the battery would gradually discharge till the car stops. But here, the rotating rear half-axles turn the alternators, which in turn keep the battery fully charged.
I've been told it can't work. People used to say cars couldn't run on water! There's always someone looking to be negative. But consider this - this is the secret of my success - there are two alternators and only one motor! Everyone knows nothing can be 100% efficient. There are losses in friction, in the drive belts, in the heat sink. Yes, but even with the losses, I'm getting 60% from each alternator! That's 120% total. So, I have 100% to recharge the battery and drive the motor, and 20% left over, which looks after lights, radio and all the rest.
Already Jim and I are working on a new model with four alternators! Jim's had the devil's own job inventing a flexible coupling to the steerable front wheels. But he's completed the prototype. Four alternators all giving 60% - that's 240% folks! This one, we're going to race!
Postscript - if in any doubt:
This hub is for entertainment only, and is my response to the 'run your car on water' scam. I'm a physicist by training and have been an engineer all my working life. There are little things like the Carnot cycle and Entropy that can't be circumvented. You can't run a car on water because to dissociate water into hydrogen and oxygen takes more energy than is released by recombining it (in the engine). An alternator cannot give out more electrical energy than the mechanical input. So my 'invention' is also a scam - the alternators would simply act as brakes! But in my favour, I'm not trying to sell you anything. Don't believe everything you read, and beware of pseudo-science and spurious statistics.
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Perpetual energy! You'll have so much extra power that you could discharge back to the "grid" and pay for the car many times over! :)
Very entertaining Paraglider.
I can't wait to see the video of your new model on the racetrack. Do you steer while jim pushes or the other way around?
Jim (the other one)
I guess when you make your billions we won't see you on hubpages any more. Any vaguely good idea (and a lot of bad ones) is quashed or bought out by the automobile companies before anything comes of it. But, if we look at Toyota (Prius and its derivitives) as well as some of the experimental vehicles now being shown, some of those patents are coming out of mothballs. Look forward to seeing pictures of you car soon!
Paraglider - I have a physics degree and am an old sceptic but even I can see you have something here. This is very persuasive stuff. As long as your rectifying diodes are better than 50% then you should get a net energy gain. Keep the friction down and away she goes.
To make it go faster add a third alternator and start storing the surplus energy in a storage device of some kind (charge up more batteries?). When you get home you can use the spare electricity to heat your home etc. brilliant! Is is patented or can I copy it?
Paraglider, I am actually sitting down trying to digest stuff I can't fully comprehend. Gee with the prices of fuel increasing every week, I so long to see that day when our cars truly would run on nothing. :)
Hi there paraglyder I think we have all been tossing it around, for me I've been thinking about it for a real long time LOL,but I keep thinking about a generator device at each wheel run off electricity It,s all too funny have a good one.
Hi Paraglider,
You'll have to bear with me for a bit. I'm getting on a bit now, and I've developed an unfortunate tendency to ramble.
Amongst many other things I'm a trained research scientist and a qualified physics teacher. Many moons ago, when I too was "a distant young hippy", I designed and built a high energy spark ignition system. It was a joy to behold. At one atmosphere the "spark" was an inch or so long. It glowed a delicate shade of blue and hummed rather then crackled and popped.
The reason for indulging in this seemingly pointless exercise was, and still is, that the average car engine doesn't do a very good job of extracting energy from all that expensive gasoline that you keep pumping into it. In fact one of the jobs of your catalytic converter is to stop too many unburnt hydrocarbons from being pumped into the atmosphere.
Having now done my due diligence it appears that what the hordes of get rich quick merchants are currently promoting here on hubpages, and despite their highly misleading sales copy, is not in fact a device for running your car on water, and nothing but water. It appears instead to be a blueprint for an inferior version of what is often termed a "hydrogen booster", designs for which are available free of charge from numerous sources on the internet.
Now there is plenty of hard evidence that simply adding a little bit of water to the fuel/air mixture rushing into your engine improves the power output and/or miles per gallon. I see no a priori reason why adding 3 or 4% hydrogen and oxygen to the fuel/air mixture shouldn't have a similar effect. As long as the energy that is lost in the alternator and the electrolysis is compensated for by burning more gasoline than an unmodified engine this doesn't violate any fundamental laws of nature.
What do you reckon?
Jim
Hi Paraglider,
Exactly! (How do you do quotes on here?)
The "net input of energy which ultimately can only come from the fuel you're burning" hits the proverbial nail on the head.
A car engine doesn't burn all the fuel you squirt into it. If you can find a way to burn some more of that fuel your engine produces more energy. Q.E.D.
Your electric kettle analogy is perfect too. What happens when you turn water into steam? What might happen if you managed to do that in a modest way above each piston in your V8?
Cheers,
Jim
Hilarious, and thank you for a laugh. I LOVE your math. 60 and 60 ARE 120... why hasn't anyone figure this out before? YOu do realize that if you put FIVE alternators on there, you could generate 300% and could actually run THREE cars. You rule.
Paraglider for president! You're a genius.
Would this work for jet airliners as well, where the moisture laden air could be converted to hydrogen to power electric turbofans instead of having jet engines?
This truly has potential to transform our society, so be very careful about your personal safety. Those oil company hitmen will have you on the top of their list for extermination. Like they have done with hundreds of others who have invented something that affects their profits.
So - be very scared :lol:
Does anybody know where I can buy some catalyst? I just ran out and my water tank is nearly empty.
Why doesn't somebody just create robots everywhere with webcams and we could activate the robots (electric) and virtually travel anywhere, virtual conference, virtual shop. but not virtual delivery so the retailers will have to cough up to deliver while we stay at home, write hubs and socialise virtually. Don't know about virtual sex though!
What happened to kinetic energy, antimagnetics and the like?
Pity we could not organise the floods in volcano zones!!
I have been following the water4gas debate on Hubpages and I must admit I do not know much about the issue. However, I find your hub very entertaining and I think it is good because some people who were about to fall for the scam will find this hub instead. Good job.
Lets optimize, my project car just finished converting a fiero to ferrari look, now its going to get the speed of a real ferrari with the gas mileage of a prius by using a supercharged 3800 (300+hp) + NOS (+100hp when needed) + plus 150hp electric motor upfront(for short burst boost) for speed...all this when someone needs to race (550hp on 2800lbs) 0-60 in 4 seconds and 1/4 in 11second BUT for cruising, running HHO system to take the 28mpg standard of the SC3800 to 42mpg +plus your design of 2 alternators charging my quick boost battery that will run my electric motor for burst (if I can keep the axles from breaking from the eletric motor torque). Today's supercar - Supercharged, NOS boosted, Hydro-Oxygen, Electic Hybrid Supercar! MMM What should I call it?
Laws are to be broken!!!
The question is WHO PAYS THE PENALTY?
Well done man! You made me laugh!
I'm a teacher and I will teach the new laws of physics to my students showing them how to save earth by creating energy from nothing.
Don't you know there is a free-energy crisis? People like you keep wasting it all on perputual motion and such.
My car runs on rainbows and wishes. Its much more eco-friendly.
love it!! lol
Paraglider, all the stuff that we used to see on the old star trek movies were all inetended for entertainment purposes hase become a reality such as sliding doors to video conferencing etc and bodly going further etc, so who knows how this idea of yours will evolve!
I should have read this hub before buying my Honda Hybrid lol. Who knows maybe I would chose one with holes in the bottom to allow me to use my legs as motor. I was scammed, my hybrid still runs on fuel :( LOL.
Paraglider;
Awesome hub. Maybe we can mount a windmill on our car so that the faster we go, the more energy it produces. Then we can get it to power the electrolyzer to separate the hydrogen to run the car. We can take that pure oxygen to pump into the passenger compartment so we don't breathe all that smog.
I did not know you were such a technical expert. Outstanding!
I don't think anyone got around to mention the cars that run on compressed air.
Gee I need something like this while travelling but dont think it would pull our van
good .project ...i wish that my car can also run without water and fuel
perpetual motion has been said not possible but I say it is possible as an example has been given to us by our creator,hence everyday the world rotates as it rotates around the sun as do all the other planets near us do?hence perpetual motion.
We just need to figure out how to do it
energy from nothing good luck
wow paraglider's and soulsurfer's discussion realy opened my eye's. im going to try this on my scooter, haha wish me luck
What can you tell me about microhydro generatorsPlease keep in mind that i am not a scientist, just an interested poser looking to change things up at home.
I got to admit I was thinking that you wre a nutter, then I read the postscript and laugh myself silly. Maybe you could point in the direction of an old subaru front drive system. I firmly believe that this will aid you in coupling the alt drives to steerable front wheels. Of course the alternators act as brakes, that is the beauty of the system, you want more brakes, simply apply more load to the alternator by switching the headlights to full beam. I imagine that this same principle would make use of the turn indicators interesting, to say the least, but plenty of people seem to survive without ever using them.
Very nice concept but as funride said, I think Honda beat ya to the punch there as I seem to remember seeing something like that in the plans for the Civic and Insight hybrids. What if you used a water kit on your car, but instead of using the battery to separate the oxygen from the hydrogen, you used a Marx Generator? Or just have the generator set up to continuously discharge and pump the free H and O gas mixture into a reservoir tank for while you are driving.
Great read though man.
Another new propulsion system that has both zero emissions and an inexhaustible source of power has been developed by the Derby Downs labs in Akron, Ohio, the company is currently seeking venture capitol funding needed to bring the gravity car to market. A safety feature integrated into the design automatically brings the vehicle to a gentle stop, in the event the driver falls asleep or incapacitated.
Thank the gods for the last paragraph. I've read enough of your hubs to know you aren't a kook, but for a while there I thought your "cheese" had "slid off the cracker."
humour indeed, thought you are serious at first! Hi Dave, like any articles on engineering and the like, I have to understand the diagram, at least it is only one diagram unlike your article about TV production LOL..
thanks and have a good day!
Extremely innovative! If we put your idea with mine we might be out doing the big boys sooner than one might believe.
why dont you put 500+ alternators on each wheel but here's the good bit put them on a 20 wheel lorrie stack all the alternators in the trailer total 10,000 alternators send the lorrie round in circles so it don't go anywhere and wire up to the national grid here in the uk should be enough to power a small town put 2 lorries on the track with the same spec we can power two towns etc etc get my drift oh oh oh
Love it, where can I buy one.lol I have just made my scalectric car run without being plugged in.
however ther is potentiol for useing smaller devices to save energy, take the gym for eg, you pedel on a bike that uses power to desply stats, you pedeling could creat that power, the same for all manule laber the amount of energy we use every day is unbeleevebl we would not notice the diferince in friction in creating useble energy
I love reading the first few comments to this hub. Makes me feel good about myself.
Hahaha I enjoyed reading this! Im no expert, but as I was reading I kept thinking to myself that the alternators couldn't produce more energy than what was input.... Then I saw your text at the bottom! Hilarious! Thanks for the laugh!
I hate to burst everyones bubble but it is possible to run a car on absolutely nothing. You just need to think outside the box. Obviously the idea above is ridiculous, but i have developed a system that does work!!
But for obvious reasons i can't explain how.
I have built a prototype vehicle that works and the performance would equal most hybrid vehicles currently on the market.
@Paraglider: I don't balme you, it's sounds impossible doesn't it?
But a couple of hundred years ago if you had told someone that you could generate energy, store it, and then use to power certain things - people would have thought you were a completely nuts.
These are things that we now take for granted in our everyday lives.
I've also noticed that many people who try to develope alternative methods of powering a motor vehicle base their design around the common petrol and diesel combustion engines..... Why?
Take for example the car developed by a frence engineer that works on compressed air, he's based it around the working of a combustion engine with pistons, rods, crankshaft, etc. Not a bad idea because it does work, but again i've developed a system that is far more simple. The hardest part about powering a car on compressed air is reguating the pressure because as the air is used, the pressure in the tank is reduced. There are numberous ways to resolve this problem. I'm not talking about the gar generatating more air as the travels, that would be difficult to achieve as it takes quite a lot of energy to compress air. I'm talking about filling a tank with around 500bar of air pressure and then find a way to keep the pressure at 500bar until the tank is empty. Impossibe? No it's not!
I said in my previous post that you just need to think outside the box and until you do, anything that you consider to be impossible will remain impossible until someone like me developes it and you say "huh, why didn't i think of that?'
Yes for a vehicle powered by compressed air, a power source is required to initially fill the tank and as i've already said, it take quite a lot of energy to compress air.
I was just using that as an example of how many people base their design on the combustion engine, when there is a much easier way (actually several ways).
My last project ran on compressed air. It was only a prototype but i could still travel almost 100km's on a tank. However, maufacturing cost were a big issue.
My latest project generates it's own energy, it does not require charging or anything like that. It has batteries of course, which will need to be replaced every 3 years. But the cost is very small considering the fuel savings.
Again i can't go into detail on the actual design1 The vehicle works extremely well and has undergone extensive testing, but it is still in the design phase. Long term testing on a vehicle such as this is essential, but so far there have been no major issues. There are a number of aspects that i still hope to improve :)
The batteries are only used to store EXCESS energy, which is used for initial starting and for long periods of increased load (a very long steep hill for example)
The vehicles generates enough energy to operate the motor at max rpm. A potentiometer which i refer to as the "primary potentiometer" controls the speed of the motor while driving.
When i say the vehicle generates energy, i mean it converts mechanical energy into electrical energy....I thought that would have been obvious.
Obviously there is a secret to how this vehicle can produce such a large output from such a small input. But in all fairness you can't expect me to share that information.
And i'm not asking you to believe my claim, i've already said that i don't blame you for having your doubts :)
I'm trying to fool nobody, you do realise that i CAN'T explain the actual operation of this vehicle.
I've already stated that the batteries are used for initial starting! Once running, the system i have designed developes very high output from very little input. That very high mechanical output is then converted back into electricity. So in plain english, the system produces more electricity than is required to operate the vehicle.
It's hard to explain without going into the exact details of how this can be achieved, which i can't do.
That's all i have to say on this topic :)
this is an interesting hub.I was quiet confuse on the process and i want a more detail explanation.I want to run my ?????????????? ?????????? using electricity.
Dear All,
This is possible because I have a new project like car run on without fuel or with out water.....
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Pravas
Paraglider,
Here's food for thought. No insult is meant by this. If every scientist in the world excepted that today's physics laws are the accurate laws of the universe, how would we ever advance in science? If no one attempted to bend, break or revise every law of physics known to man (which has been done many times since the beginning of recorded time), how would we advance scientifically? I do understand that a lot of people will try to take advantage of others, therefore there needs to be some doubt (for self preservation), but at the same time who is to say that someone (yes even your backyard joe) can't stubble upon a fluke in these laws and find something incredible that "appears" to be magic (or scam). A good example of how quickly or drastically things can change for the world is to look at Tesla vs Edison for harnessing the power of Niagra Falls. If Edison had won, we would all be using DC power for everything. What differences, in the way of electrical devices, would there be if we didn't have AC power? Also another thing to think on, since you are a physicist and engineer, why are we still using the same old setups for electricity, for the last 50 years, when physics alone has come so far we should be able to rewrite all electrical engineering courses. Unless you can tell me that nothing has changed with how we understand the electron and therefore electricity. For all we know someone found a new way to tap or trap energy we already use, therefore it may appear as if the are getting energy for free when in reality it just pulls the energy from the atmosphere making it seem free because we didn't personally put it into the device. Perhaps someone did find a fluke in a law, and what we were taught to believe was wrong. Imagine how the world felt when they found out they weren't the center of everything and that their world wasn't flat. Now imagine what is going to happen in our next huge scientific discovery. First everyone will say it's not possible. Then they will say it's possible but not practical. Lastly they willall claim to have known it all along. Sorry if I missed on some of the details, it's late and I want to post this before I lost the thought train. I'm not a scientist nor an engineer (please don't let my lack of complete technical understanding make you put the blinders on), but something doesn't feel right when we have all this new technology coming out all the time, yet we still can't master the basics of our own energy issues. Once again just food for thought, and no offense meant. Sorry again if this seems like rambling but I am still young and learning, so if you could clear up any of these questions for me that would be awesome! :) I do agree with you on the "don't believe everything you read" but at the same time don't throw everything that "appears" to break a physical law out the window.
Natural law... Law of conversion... All these secrets to make a fortune and no one looks at the larger picture. Alright, I am about to blow away everyone's mind and just tell you a method, not the secret but a method. You know about hydro electric dams? The big thingyma-bobbers that make my computer go on? And then there is "Dem windmeells in de sky" that use dynamo energy to make electricity? Damnit, just use magnets already!! In particular sets, of course with 100 pounders you can have more than 10 points pushing away at any given time, the force between magnets not held up at 100ish pounds rated was 140lbs-ish % of force pushing away, it's not all that big neither. Use low rpms, a set of disks to start her going, a battery to power some coils that have a magnetic field when power is provided, aided by a cylinder lined with magnets along the body (one inside n' one out) and there you go running the starter disk bolted on a hub. Guess what, you got yer force in mechanical ways, n now you just need a belt on that there hub and hook it to a motor. Does it work? Hell, there are countless versions of it out there. Am I intrested in the money? Well, I could use a new truck, but you know, I see that this is needed, no single person is going to git er done, this is a joint affair. Everyone, git over yerself so you can git er done. Yes I see the major pace maker flaw, special rubber housing eliminates that and vibration problems. It don't cost much, box it, put it in the trunk, it ain't too big neither. perm splice it to the output with the outlet plug(electric car) and you have a current model running on it's own power source. Now the secret is in the math and the setup. Can't get more energy than what's put in it. But WE can get a hellava lot more energy than what WE put in it. That's what were wanting correct? Oh, you "schkeeamerrs" get all pissed off, I don't care that you don't make any money. Funny thing, this invention you can't get papers for, something about free energy is a international and US military issue. But you can build it and use it.
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Due to how drunk I was (I love Black Heart) I will explain further how I stumbled on this idea, and the sad realization almost everyone has as well. Good sir, this is not Static Magnetism in the strictest sense. I challenge you. Go to the hobby store and purchase a few items.
A plastic disk, a small lid from a container will do just fine.
A ring slightly larger than the lid, hopefully with a flat surface inwards, a jewlery bracelet will do. metallic if possible, it can be resized. Magnets, not expensive ones, just cheap little magnets, possibly the rare earth magnets, but hey whatev....
A toy/hobby motor and something that will allow you to attach the disk to the motor.
Stick the disk on the motor, evenly place the magnets facing the same polarity outwards, and on the ring, place the same polarity inwards, (north for argument's sake) and make sure they all tilt in the same direction, otherwise there is no direction the force will be applied to. Attach something that the tiny hobby motor can power, a light will do.
Place the ring over the disk, and watch it spin. Your amazement more prominent due to the light illuminating your now smiling and still struck in awe face.
This is a small version of what can be made. You have a magnetic force that is stationary (the ring) applying force to another magnetic force with the same polarity (the disk) which is not stationary. The disk spins and I believe that this spinning force applied to the motor is what man kind has been after? If I am not mistaken, magnets are not really needed in this experiment, you just need that magnetic force. Belts and hubs of different sizes can give us a faster rotation applied to that motor that will generate your electricity. We have the technology, we can make it possible. Better, faster, compact and ever-charging your fully electric car. Power was always a main issue, especially with cellphones and only when they built better batteries did we get stronger and smaller phones? Same issue with the electric car, honestly need I say more? Play with the configuration and you can have a small box in the truck of your car (or work box in the bed of your truck) that with a pull and locking motion of a simple hinge lever that just pushes a stationary disk to a rotating one so an alternator can do whatever? For the electric car, have it built in so that this will charge the battery when needed? Commercial transportation anyone? Or how about a 5k version in the shed behind a house supplying current rather than being on the grid? How about a 20k running on a train to power the motors that turn the train wheels?
Say it's impossible, say it is with a straight face. Words from a society that live in a geocentric universe.
Once again, I'm 20% cooler than you.
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i m also working on same project.......
now i m in final stage.........
bhaskarbhardwaj08@gmail.com
Any Success Bhaskar, long back i too had plans to try it, but could not coz i did not hav much time.
Iam on a similar project to moove a vehicle without any fuel or water .... I have a perfect idea and I can & will do it. and ill follow your page for giving & getting Suggetions what I have
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Very Informative Hub.
I wish someone will come up with an idea - alternative to fuel.